they argue both hamas, since they make customers pay income taxes to pay interest, the customers are paying twice this income tax. and they've never denied denied this. i've always said is a subtle matter. it's over. be careful to never denied that they pocketed all this money. the second part is the utility companies often have a holding company structure. so you have your local utility for water and natural gas, but it's increasingly owned by companies in spain and france because rules are favorable to make a profit. companies mostly i prefer money. utility makes a profit of 11% after taxes pay the company. makes it dirty%. and those taxes charge at the highest possible rate, in many cases never get to the government. not a ten-year limit the interest of the billion dollars, but the holding company set up a mechanism market the money. when i expose this in 2002 to "the new york times," oregon passed a law that said give it to the government or give it back to the customers. general electric, no problem. northwest natural gas, no problem. one by warren buffett went to the legislatur